The first rule of Fightclub…

The first rule of Fightclub…

Like most companies these days, bookmakers are extremely keen to attract new customers while effectively turning their backs on existing customers. All of the best and easiest offers are aimed at attracting the new signups with exsiting customer offers either being pretty non-existent or much harder to obtain. I’d guess it’s the main reason why alot of people mistakenly believe that it’s impossible to continue making money after completing all the sign-up offers.

Speaking from personal experience, I know this to be false. It is entirely possible to continue making a decent income even after completing all the signup offers however there’s no denying that it does take more time and an element of risk by tackling some of the casino offers.

Every now and then a new face will pop up on one of the Matched Betting sites and ask why then, if the signup offers are so good, they can’t just create 20 accounts all under different names and details? This question will either be met with a wall of silence or a quoting of the infamous:

You DO NOT talk about Fight Club

That’s because operating multiple accounts by a single individual is clearly against every one of the bookmaker’s terms & conditions. If you are caught they will ban all of your accounts and may even attempt to seize any funds still within them.

I used to help run an online gaming site which had similar restrictions on operating multiple accounts. I speak from experience when I say how easy it is to identify where someone is using the same browser, computers, connection, hardware etc to run multiple accounts.

And yet every month I see people posting profits way above my own, sometimes as much as £10k per month. Could they have gotten extremely lucky on a casino slot offer and hit the jackpot? Perhaps.. but every month, continuously?

No-one is going to come out and publicly admit to running multiple accounts under different details. The most common scenario given instead is that they are helping friends/family by guiding them through the various offers and then combining the profits from all of these different people under a single monthly profit count. However before you all run off to help Old Aunt Mildred signup for the latest Bet365 £200 offer.. be aware that there are precautions you need to take so that the bookmakers don’t think you’re just running all the accounts yourself:

  • Unique machine – This can be either a physical or virtual machine, but it should be unique. Simply clearing your cookies isn’t enough as all web-browsers carry a signature of their configuration which can be used to identify an individuals.
  • Unique connection – VPN or 3G dongles would be the best here, although some sites restrict access that they identify to be through a VPN.
  • Unique bank account – All accounts must be registered under the same name and address as the person being signed up.

 

As always; you do this at your own risk. It may be safer to just have Aunt Mildred signup to one of the betting guide sites herself 😉

 

21 thoughts on “The first rule of Fightclub…

  1. Hi Guy. You talk about needing to take an element of risk once you get past the sign up offers. How much risk is this? I was hoping that matched betting would be risk free.

    1. The risk really depends on what you’re willing to accept, however it’s always mathematically advantageous risk.

      For instance the Tombola signup offer means that you’re spending £1 for a 1/6 chance of winning £15. Obviously you could lose every single game however based on probability you’re going to win about 1 out of every 6 games and so spend £6 to gain £15 each time.

  2. Nice post Guy. Thanks

    How much bank roll do you consider necessary before you start taking on ~80-90% of the available casino offers?

    1. It really comes down to your attitude to risk and the usual bust out rate. Most of the more advanced casino offers I see have a bust rate of 80% so you need to be able to afford to lose on average 4/5 of the offers before hitting that 1/5 big win.

      Personally I tend to stick to a maximum risk of £20 per offer. I have done some much larger ones but only where the odds were heavily in my favour (£50 for £50 with 2xWR for example).

  3. Hi Guy, could you do a breakdown of what you bet on in any particular day or week and the profit you make? Id find that helpful to see how it works in practice for others, Many thanks 😊

    1. Hi Grainne,
      I can’t post an exact list of every bet I place as that would make it easy for the bookmakers to identify which account is mine! I’ll put together an ‘average’ week with some editing of bookmakers and specific bet selections to give an idea of the types and amounts of bets I’m placing. But to give an idea of the sort of things I’m doing.. today I’ve bet on:

      – Coral Bet £10 risk free
      – Paddypower £5 per goal scored by selection
      – Boylesport £5 risk free casino
      – Wincashlive price boost
      – Bet365 free spins
      – StanJames £5 free bet
      – Ladbrokes free spins
      – BGO £5 casino bonus

      It’s nothing particularly complicated or massive, just lots of small offers which quickly accumulate. Every now and then you’ll hit a big casino win or a Best Odds Guaranteed horse boost which will make £100+ in a single bet.

  4. In comparison, I did the Coral Bet, Paddypower and Wincashlive ones but none of the casino ones. I did however do the Skybet offer (free bet if your horse comes in 2nd or 3rd – mine came 2nd!), which is unusual for me as I don’t tend to do horse racing.

    Looks like I will miss Bet365’s big England/Wales offer cos I’ll be at work and with mobile reception being rather crap, I’d rather not risk messing up laying a £50 bet in play!

    1. I almost missed the match so had the Mrs pre-prepped. In your case I would have still placed the qualifier and then just punted the £50 inplay un-matched on the favourite. Worse case: You’d lose £2 on the qualifier but then get your in-play stake back.

  5. Hi Guy,

    As you can imagine this post interests me greatly 😉

    I’ve nailed 2 of the 3 on your list. Can you point me in the direction of any more information about point 1? I don’t see how Chrome for example has a unique footprint per browser/machine but obviously would like to know more about how it would do this! If it is per browser then why do you need a separate machine per account? Why couldn’t I just use Chrome for one and Firefox for another for example? Oh and those posting 10K profits per month, surely either liars if they are saying only on one account or otherwise just pure fantasists/trolls!!! 🙂

    Cheers

    1. Hola!

      So your browser ‘leaks’ information to every site it visits. Information such as the application, version type and some settings plus your windows settings also are available to the websites. So its a case of them identifying the combination of these settings which gives a fingerprint of your machine. There’s a basic tool which demonstrates this at: https://amiunique.org/

      Yes, you could use a different browser for each I’d guess.. although personally if I was going to multie-account I’d not take the risk. A suitable laptop brand new is only £150 and paid off with a single Bet365 welcome offer!

      1. That’s awesome cheers.

        I’ve checked that site out and I can all but confirm no bookie is bothering with that shit, honestly, the tech teams on most bookies are just fighting to get their sites to work properly let alone talking to their trading departments about tracking individual users like you think they might be.

        I added one of the tracking blocker plug ins recommended here:

        https://amiunique.org/tools

        And checked out a few mainstream bookies, and although loads of “trackers” came up they were all just ad tracker bullshit (IMO – take a look yourself at a few bookie websites and see what you think?)

        If you could get away with not spending £150 per account and clogging up your house with laptops I think that seems like a more optimal solution to all of this.

        Not that I’m doing it of course. That would be against the T&Cs! I’m just asking out of interest.

        1. I think we’re not going to agree on this 😉 they may do it.. or they may not.. Personally I’d not take the risk. Plus I like the physical aspect of keeping everything totally separate, means there’s no chance of accidentally logging onto the wrong set of accounts from the wrong connection/browser.

          1. Agreed. It’s a good experiment to run actually isn’t it? Although you are clearly far more prolific so I might just fly under the radar better anyway due to lower activity, but I guess it might give us some sort of feeling to go on after we’ve both been doing it for say 1 year.

            Cheers!

  6. hiya 🙂 very pleased and somehow made 47.60 on my first offer, coral free £20 – i won 90 and lost 42.80 – if i kept half of the money (ie withdrew it to my bank account – could i not view the other half as another free bet? this way there would be no end to ‘free’ bets! i am sure there is a flaw to my logic here, but it escapes me 🙂

    1. Hi David,

      I’m not sure how you made £47.60 from a £20 free bet? Did you just gamble it as a normal bet rather than laying it off?

      You could of course just consider the money as “free bet” money however if you were then the place bets with that money you would be losing value overall as all bets are weighted in the bookie’s favour. Better to withdraw any profits as cash.

  7. Hello. If i used a smart phone to log into a second account over 3g and afterwards hard reset it, would that be enough or I would have to buy another smart phone to log into another account?

  8. Hello, I’ve been matched betting for about a month now and quite liking it. My partner is interested now too but of course we live at the same physical address. She has her own laptop, internet connection and bank accounts but of course the bank accounts are also registered to the same address. Am I best to advise her to avoid any bookies that are not same household friendly? I don’t want to lose any of my accounts as a result.

    1. Personally I’d not sign up for any sites unless they specifically state they accept multiple household members. Does your partner have any official posts sent to another address, parent’s house etc? When the bookies ask for bank statements you can block out the account address on it.

    1. Personally I’d have individual laptops hooked up to 3g dongles so its all totally isolated.

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